Yes, i'm not dead. And neither is this blog!
Anywho i'm up here at no less than four in the morning, just coming off a long conversation on msn with this girl, that left me, frankly, quite a bit perturbed.
It was basically about moral standards, pertaining particularly to indecent clothing and that sort (something i actually cant recall if i've already covered in a previous post), and while i expected her to agree with me(cause she flirts with me, see!), i got quite the surprise when she told me how she felt.
Not that i dont respect other people's opinions. I respect LOGICAL opinions, opinions that can be argued for, and have been well though out. I cant abide opinions that arise from upbringing and culture (now that i've definitely blogged about), because if it's not well thought out, its moronic.
Anyway being too sleepy to actually type out my opinions this time, i'll just copy and paste my conversation with her.
You might notice i get a bit anal and whiny during the course of this conversation, especially towards the end, but thats just because i have very strong opinions on this matter. She seems a bit disinterested in my ranting, and who can blame her, it is rather late for this sort. But anyway i hope i made some sort of impact.
"Druid says:
haha definitly is
=D
how short are the shortest shorts you have
out of curiousity
=D
RandomChick says:
Haha.. Not very.. Mom doesnt like us wearing short shorts
Druid says:
haha why?
i'm doing a survey
so far
not including you
the answers have been very short
=D
RandomChick says:
Haha.. Not very decent
Druid says:
haha what
the questions?
or the girls?
RandomChick says:
Lol, short shorts
Druid says:
haha i know
thats why i like em
=D
but whats the definition of decent?
this is my serious conversation tone
=D
RandomChick says:
Lol, erm, not decent's when ur showing more skin than u should?
Druid says:
and who says how much skin you should show?
RandomChick says:
But then again, i tease a lot n talk bout stuff i shouldn't, n thats not very decent either.. So yea..
Druid says:
haha
no wait
answer the question
RandomChick says:
The skin?
Druid says:
yeah
RandomChick says:
Erm, i guess, its just not decent when ur pulling the wrong sort of attention to yourself
Druid says:
ha
now
the wrong sort of attention, you say?
who's fault is the wrong sort of attention?
who is the person giving the attention?
RandomChick says:
The one attracting attention is at fault
Druid says:
why?
thats like saying
if you're robbed
you're at fault for having stuff.
what kind of society blames the victim?
you can say tempting someone is bad
but what is having a nice car?
tempting someone to take it from you
but who gets thrown in jail
certainly not the tempter
RandomChick says:
Ur at fault if u flash ur stuff..
Druid says:
flash your stuff?
so you cant drive your car around?
problem is you - we actually- have been taught otherwise
and no one ever thinks to ask, why is attention bad?
if the girl wants it and the guy's willing to give it
whats so bad about it?
we're prisoners of our upbringing
RandomChick says:
Haha.. Slow down.. But yea, i agree, when sth gets stolen, the thief shouldn't be the only one caught
Druid says:
wait wait
you're saying that if something gets stolen
the person from whom its stolen from is equally to blame?
RandomChick says:
Only if they've been showing off, cos ppl always want what others hv.. So u cant blame them solely
Druid says:
haha so
your saying
hypothetically
since you've been playing around with me
if i were to force myself on you
you'd be at fault too?
RandomChick says:
Yes, definately
Druid says:
woa
no way
its well within your right to show off
because there's no rule against showing off
its not a crime
it doesnt hurt anyone
it makes you feel good
wow
we like, totally disagree on this
RandomChick says:
Haha, yea well, thats ur opinion.. Me, i think its equally my fault if sth happens.. So no.. No flashing, no showing off
Druid says:
so you'll be in the persecuting girls who do flash
in the group
i mean
so what would you say showing off is?
RandomChick says:
Haha.. Only if they behave like they've done nothing wrong when sth does happen
Druid says:
but they havent done anything wrong
RandomChick says:
Lol, how do i put it
Druid says:
dunno
cause the fact you'll eventually admit is that blatant double standards are practised
when sexuality is concerned, atleast
like for example
showing off your legs
too much?
RandomChick says:
Haha, see, when u show off say ur body, it means u want attention.. N u will get it, but not necessarily from the person u want.. So when u do get that attention from the wrong person, n u behave like u've been sexually violated, den really, its u who's at fault..
Druid says:
but why would you drive your nice car around?
naturally its all for attention
who doesnt crave attention?
people should have the right to look for attention they want without fear getting something they dont want
RandomChick says:
Yea it is for attention, but keep it moderate is all i'm saying
Druid says:
why?
who defines moderate?
thats what i'm saying
the people defining it do their defining on abstract, completely arbitrary grounds, and then think themselves justified in applying these limits to other people
its like applying shariah law to a non muslim
who would agree to that?
of course to the muslim its perfectly reasonable
so like to you, moderate, which you have been brought up in, is perfectly reasonable
but to a non muslim its completely ridiculous
i.e. to anyone not raised in the same situation as you
i'm too serious for you, arent i?
RandomChick says:
Moderate so that ur not evoking jealousy or heavy duty lust or anything
Druid says:
aha
there in lies the problem
you drive your posh car into my house and i wouldnt care for it
but you can simply tell another person about it, and they'd try to jack it off you
same with sexuality
you can walk naked in front of me
and i'd be very happy
but i wouldnt try to touch you
but you could be in a buurka and get raped
so its impossible to set a standard that doesnt evoke jealousy or lust
its impossible and unreasonable
you see
i get what you're saying
you're saying that if a person is flaunting their body
RandomChick says:
Hahah.. Very diff upbringing, u n i..
Druid says:
they're more culpable for a crime that happens
true?
more culpable than say, someone fully covered that gets raped
true?
RandomChick says:
Yep
Druid says:
so lets take an example
A = practically naked babe
B assaults said babe
C = buurka clad babe
D assualts C
so A is at fault herselft
because she tempted B
true
?
while as C is faultless
cause she didnt tempt anyone
and D was just an asshole
true?
RandomChick says:
Kinda, unless, buurka's sexy where he n she comes from
Druid says:
haha
no where considers a buurka sexy
no where
but lets say its not considered sexy
soo in this scenario
we blame D most of all
A and B equally
and C none at all
right?
RandomChick says:
Yes
Druid says:
right
now to point out the awesome flaw
what if
D assaulted A
who's at fault?
we know, as creators of this scenario, D is a jackass whole hump anything
true?
RandomChick says:
Still both
Druid says:
but why A?
cause now we know that A's apparel had nothing to do with it?
RandomChick says:
She's naked! Duh she's at fault too
Druid says:
but we've already decided that this fellow would've assualted buurka lady
so regardless of what she was wearing
we know he would've hurt her
so she cant be at fault
cause whatever she was wearing he would've done it
RandomChick says:
Fine, if he's a jerk, he's a jerk, nothing much i can say
Druid says:
so its not her fault right?
cause he's a jerk
RandomChick says:
Lol, yes
Druid says:
aha!
so in real life
when things are not so clear
how do you decide who's to blame?
or rather
whats to blame
is it the woman and the temptation?
(needless to point out, every criminal would claim that was the cause)
or the fellow who commited to crime
the urge to commit crime?
RandomChick says:
Lol, in real life, not everyone's a jerk.. They usually need a lil, motivation? Lol
Druid says:
cant generalise like that, can you?
cause if that were true
no one in a buurka would get raped
agreed?
RandomChick says:
Then D was a mental patient, and all 3 isn't at fault
Druid says:
nope
nonsense
you cant honestly say that every rape victim is at fault
thats like
wrong
cause people get raped even when they're decently dressed
agreed?
RandomChick says:
Haha.. I gotta go to sleep.. We'll cont this tmr.. Gotta go out tmr.. If u can come, we could cont there? Haha
Druid says:
no no no
we'll never continue this then
come on, this is really important to me
incredibly important
i need an answer
RandomChick says:
Haha.. Fine, fine, u win.. We define our own levels, wtv they are.. Depends on the person
Druid says:
dont concede without meaning it
i dont want to hear i win
i want you to change
i want you to not think lowly of people who dress indecently
by YOUR standards
RandomChick says:
To what?
Druid says:
because you need to know that your standards may seem reasonable to you
but they're really not
they're just arbitrary, something you grew up with
and something you shouldnt be imposing on anyone else
cause one day when you grow up
you might find yourself in a position of power
then becuase you dont realise that standards are different
RandomChick says:
Lol! Ok fine
Druid says:
and because you dont see anything wrong in imposing your own standards on someone else
that someone else will suffer
which is frankly unforgivable
so there's no need to say i win, because i dont really care about winning
RandomChick says:
Ok ok
Druid says:
you get what i'm saying?
haha you dont see this side of me very much, do you?
RandomChick says:
Lol, i do.. Its just, i've adjusted to this way of thinking for so long, i found the need to defend it
Druid says:
dont dont dont
you might not think much of your opinions
but they matter
RandomChick says:
But haha, its a good side of u
Druid says:
you see, you talk to your friends
and every single one of them thats close minded
feels reassured if you agree with them
and its like a web
RandomChick says:
Yep
Druid says:
and you shouldnt underestimate that web
and in the end people suffer
i hope you're not agreeing wiht me for the sake of going to sleep
i'd really hate that
RandomChick says:
Lol, ok.. We'll cont this tmr! I needs sleep
Druid says:
and i hope the next time you and your friends see a girl in really tight clothes walking around
and someone in the group whispers, bitch
you'll say something
ok ok go sleep
but think about it "
And end!
Wasnt that long! But i really meant every word.